I haven't tried to load any lately, but a good friend of mine had a lot of
problems getting her boxes entered yesterday.

Maiden

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Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:41 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] LBNA Site


Anyone having any issues with the site tonight? Tried entering a box
and it won't seem to take it. . .

Operator error?



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I think it's been overloaded~

Mark Pepe

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Operator error?



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I am. I entered one tonight and it won't show up. It is listed on
the clue announcement group, but no where else. I'm just going to
leave it till tomorrow and hopefully it will have fixed itself.
-MonkeyToes


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, TeamKing wrote:
> Anyone having any issues with the site tonight? Tried entering a
box
> and it won't seem to take it. . .
>
> Operator error?

Omigod! I have been fidddling for hours trying to get two boxes
entered. I can get it too work if it is some short text, but if I
try to import larger documents the COunty goes balnk and I get an
error message. Glad to see it just is not me.

Hope it fixes itself!

Mimulus trying to post clues to Hitchcock's "The Birds 1 and 2"

Hartford County in CT had a huge influx of at least 70 boxes, all at around 7
p.m. As I remarked to the others in Hartford County, I thought we would
overload the system..... OOPS!

I'm finding that our boxes are getting onto the LBNA site and on the announce
list, but not onto What's New.

Music Woman


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Yep, I am getting the same mess too. I think mine is finally loaded,
but what a hassle. I hope it straightens out soon.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jceg5540"
wrote:
>
> Omigod! I have been fidddling for hours trying to get two boxes
> entered. I can get it too work if it is some short text, but if I
> try to import larger documents the COunty goes balnk and I get an
> error message. Glad to see it just is not me.
>
> Hope it fixes itself!
>
> Mimulus trying to post clues to Hitchcock's "The Birds 1 and 2"

I've had trouble trying to edit for a while now.
missmoon




Anyone having any issues with the site tonight? Tried entering a box
and it won't seem to take it. . .

Operator error?

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I also tried to add (2) letterbox clues Sunday and they didn't work....
:(



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This brings up my pet peeve. There are some boxes on there that have been missing for a very long time. They need to be deleted. If a box is missing for 6 months or more and is obviously not going to be replaced it needs to be deleted by the placer, or by the site owners, especially if the placer doesn't respond to e-mail. If the placer comes back around and finds it gone, they can just put up a new entry.
missmoon


I think it's been overloaded~

Mark Pepe

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It can be really frustrating to look for something
that is just not there. It would be nice to have some
reference that the box had been found by someone or
someone searched and came up empty. Some boxes are
very tricky and may not be found on your first or even
second try (Schofield Bridge) but if a box is truly
gone it would be nice to know. There are all kinds of
boxes out there for all kinds of boxers. I like the
variety. There are some puzzles I'm saving to try when
not boxing with an 11 year old who really wants to
find a box.
Mizscarlet

--- gates_benjamin_franklin
wrote:

>
>
> >This brings up my pet peeve. There are some boxes
> on there that
> >have been
> missing for a very long time. They need to be
> deleted. If a box is
> missing for 6
> months or more and is obviously not going to be
> replaced it needs to
> be deleted
> by the placer, or by the site owners, especially if
> the placer
> doesn't respond
> to e-mail. If the placer comes back around and finds
> it gone, they
> can just put
> up a new entry.
> missmoon
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand. If the placer can not be
> contacted how
> would you know the box is missing? Many treasures go
> many years,
> hundreds if not thousands of years, before their
> secrets are
> revealed and they are found.Maybe the placer just
> doesn't want to be
> contacted, maybe they like the idea of them being
> out of the
> picture, long gone and lost in time.
>
>
> I am fairly new to letterboxing and don't know how
> most people feel
> about their boxes and their clues. But I do know a
> small bit about
> treasure hunting and with the treasures I have
> found, the hiders
> have been long gone. Only the trail they left and
> hard work and some
> small amount of danger led me to the treasure.
>
> I think the boxes I hide will be of this nature.
> But if the
> criteria for my clues being removed is you not being
> able to solve
> the puzzle perhaps I'm wasting my time.
>
> Taking the clues down just because you can not find
> the box makes
> no sense at all. It would rob those that can figure
> out the secret
> and locate the box.
>
> Benjamin Franklin Gates
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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I agree. My very disappointing weekend in NJ looking for the Spy
House and Twice the Trouble boxes a while back would sting a lot less
if either the placers had responded to my emails, or had there been
"last found" statements for both, or had they been pulled if they were
missing. My niece, whose first time letterboxing it was, was equally
disappointed.

If we knew that the boxes existed but we just hadn't found them, it
would be one thing. It would be a challenge to go back and spend more
time on them.

Instead, it's frustrating because we don't know whether they're actually there.


On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:17:12 -0800 (PST), MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> It can be really frustrating to look for something
> that is just not there. It would be nice to have some
> reference that the box had been found by someone or
> someone searched and came up empty. Some boxes are
> very tricky and may not be found on your first or even
> second try (Schofield Bridge) but if a box is truly
> gone it would be nice to know. There are all kinds of
> boxes out there for all kinds of boxers. I like the
> variety. There are some puzzles I'm saving to try when
> not boxing with an 11 year old who really wants to
> find a box.
> Mizscarlet
>
> --- gates_benjamin_franklin
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >This brings up my pet peeve. There are some boxes
> > on there that
> > >have been
> > missing for a very long time. They need to be
> > deleted. If a box is
> > missing for 6
> > months or more and is obviously not going to be
> > replaced it needs to
> > be deleted
> > by the placer, or by the site owners, especially if
> > the placer
> > doesn't respond
> > to e-mail. If the placer comes back around and finds
> > it gone, they
> > can just put
> > up a new entry.
> > missmoon
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand. If the placer can not be
> > contacted how
> > would you know the box is missing? Many treasures go
> > many years,
> > hundreds if not thousands of years, before their
> > secrets are
> > revealed and they are found.Maybe the placer just
> > doesn't want to be
> > contacted, maybe they like the idea of them being
> > out of the
> > picture, long gone and lost in time.
> >
> >
> > I am fairly new to letterboxing and don't know how
> > most people feel
> > about their boxes and their clues. But I do know a
> > small bit about
> > treasure hunting and with the treasures I have
> > found, the hiders
> > have been long gone. Only the trail they left and
> > hard work and some
> > small amount of danger led me to the treasure.
> >
> > I think the boxes I hide will be of this nature.
> > But if the
> > criteria for my clues being removed is you not being
> > able to solve
> > the puzzle perhaps I'm wasting my time.
> >
> > Taking the clues down just because you can not find
> > the box makes
> > no sense at all. It would rob those that can figure
> > out the secret
> > and locate the box.
> >
> > Benjamin Franklin Gates
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gates_benjamin_franklin"
wrote:

> Taking the clues down just because you can not find the box makes
> no sense at all. It would rob those that can figure out the secret
> and locate the box.

Taking the clues down sometimes won't stop others from searching the archives and
unearthing the long lost variations on this form of treasure hunting.

In a message dated 11/23/2004 4:02:58 PM Central Standard Time,
circus.mask@gmail.com writes:

If we knew that the boxes existed but we just hadn't found them, it
would be one thing. It would be a challenge to go back and spend more
time on them.

Instead, it's frustrating because we don't know whether they're actually
there.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Exactly. There have been times we haven't found a box on the first try.
Keith tends to give up too quickly, and I tend to overanalyse clues and come with
a hundred different ways a clue could be deciphered. So we've ended up
returning on more than one occasion.

If we're returning to search again for a box that we know is there -- that's
something we enjoy doing. With theft, vandalism, being carried off by an
animal, etc. being all possibilities, we're not very keen on returning when we're
not even sure the box still exists. So unless the placer replies when we
contact them in such a case, and lets us know the box is still alive & well, we
won't go back unless it suddenly hits us as to what we may have been doing wrong.
We don't expect any further clues from the placer, just a note as to the
last time the box was successfully checked or found.

That's why we check on the boxes we've placed, or use reports from folks who
have found our boxes, to update the clue pages to each box about every 3 weeks
or so, so that searchers will know the last time the box was known to be
alive & well.

Pippi & Pumpkin


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In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:22:56 PM Central Standard Time,
gates_benjamin_franklin@yahoo.com writes:

<< I think the boxes I hide will be of this nature. But if the
criteria for my clues being removed is you not being able to solve
the puzzle perhaps I'm wasting my time.

Taking the clues down just because you can not find the box makes
no sense at all. It would rob those that can figure out the secret
and locate the box.
>>

Box clues come in all shapes & sizes and that's what makes the hobby/sport
great.

I hardly think that any clues will ever be taken down because someone simply
can't find the box. But I agree with folks who feel that maybe the clues
should be taken down if a placer can no longer be successfully contacted. But
how much extra work might that make for the folks who run the site?

On the other hand, if a box is going to take us a considerable amount of
travel time to just get to the starting location, or if the box is in a vulnerable
area like a city, where it might have a short lifespan, Keith or I will often
contact the placer before going to search for it, to find out the date of the
last time it was checked on or reported found. If we don't receive a reply,
we just won't bother with that particular box.

If it's a more difficult box with clues that are more difficult to figure,
that's fine. Boxes come in all flavours, and rightfully so. But that doesn't
mean the placer can't reply to an inquiry about the box and just let the folks
making the inquiry know when the box was last checked on. Or if the searcher
gives the placer a run-down on what steps they took with the clues, the placer
doesn't have to give anything away about the box -- they could just nicely
say "no, from your description of events, I can see that you didn't follow the
clues correctly, better luck next time". Would that really be such an
imposition on the placer? I would hope not.

Pippi


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I meant when the clue page says the box is missing.

I didn't say take it down just because you can't find the box.

MISSMOON




Taking the clues down just because you can not find the box makes
no sense at all. It would rob those that can figure out the secret
and locate the box.

Benjamin Franklin Gates










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In a message dated 11/23/2004 6:06:47 PM Central Standard Time,
nfmoon@mindspring.com writes:

I meant when the clue page says the box is missing.

I didn't say take it down just because you can't find the box.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I know some boxers leave the clue page up so that folks who have been
intending to go searching for the box, and who check the clue page right before they
head out the door for the search, will know that oops!, the box is missing.
Of course, if the clue page has suddenly disappeared if the site is checked
before heading out the door, that might indeed be a clue that there's no longer a
box there. :-)

Pippi


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In a message dated 11/23/2004 05:02:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
circus.mask@gmail.com writes:

> agree. My very disappointing weekend in NJ looking for the Spy
> House

I'm afraid that was my bad. In April I went searching for that box and found,
not a box, but the stamp on the ground in the open and the log book - or what
appeared to be a log book- a distance away burned beyond recognition. I
didn't want to leave the stamp there so I took it home and contacted the placer
right away so that I could mail it to her and let her restock and rehide it
again. I live an hour away from there and it was a late Sunday afternoon; otherwise
I would have done it. I did reunite the owner with the stamp but I should
have also mentioned to the list what happened just in case the placer didn't so
it would be archived for reference. Sorry!!
FF


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Another thing to consider is the fact that some clues are left up because
there are other boxes that rely on those clues being accessible. If that is
the case, you would hope the missing box would say it was missing, but I can
understand them being left up.

Maiden

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To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] LBNA Site


In a message dated 11/23/2004 6:06:47 PM Central Standard Time,
nfmoon@mindspring.com writes:

I meant when the clue page says the box is missing.

I didn't say take it down just because you can't find the box.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I know some boxers leave the clue page up so that folks who have been
intending to go searching for the box, and who check the clue page right
before they
head out the door for the search, will know that oops!, the box is missing.

Of course, if the clue page has suddenly disappeared if the site is checked
before heading out the door, that might indeed be a clue that there's no
longer a
box there. :-)

Pippi


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In my original note, I said boxes that have been missing for 6 months or more. I'll try to make this as clear as I can.........boxes that have been :::::updated by their placer ::::: as missing for six months or more should be removed. I think 6 months is totally fair. I think that shows a lack of interest on the placer's part. Or.............................................. if no one is able to contact the placer after multiple attempts during a six month period.

If someone places a box, they have a certain amount of responsibility to keep their e-mail address on the site current. In the past, I've seen posts here from people who have written to a placer and ::::never:::: gotten a response. I think that shows a lack of interest and responsibility on the part of that placer. I wrote to a person one time to ask if a box was still missing and was told that yes it was still missing and the person had no plans for replacing it. Uh......so why is it still on the site?

This hobby seems to be growing in leaps and bounds and at some point the site is going to have to have some kind of limit imposed in terms of data that is stored on it. You can't just keep adding letterboxes into infinity and never remove the ones that are no longer maintained by anyone. I have no idea how much space there is on it, but at some point the limit will be reached.

All this is JMHO and certainly everyone here is entitled to theirs also.

That being said, I hope everyone here and their loved ones have a wonderful Thanksgiving. We all have much to be thankful for.
missmoon

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Sent: 11/23/2004 7:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] LBNA Site


In a message dated 11/23/2004 6:06:47 PM Central Standard Time,
nfmoon@mindspring.com writes:

I meant when the clue page says the box is missing.

I didn't say take it down just because you can't find the box.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I know some boxers leave the clue page up so that folks who have been
intending to go searching for the box, and who check the clue page right before they
head out the door for the search, will know that oops!, the box is missing.
Of course, if the clue page has suddenly disappeared if the site is checked
before heading out the door, that might indeed be a clue that there's no longer a
box there. :-)

Pippi


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Red herring not heron.
Mizscarlet

- gates_benjamin_franklin
wrote:
. Maybe what they
> found was a "red
> heron" designed to purposely mislead them into
reports.
>
>
> B.F. Gates
>
>
>
>




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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> Red herring not heron.

I thought they were blue anyway.
LOL :-)

First off, we are letterboxers not pirates! And the box contents is
to share not secret away from the world!! If I wanted that I could
just put the box in my basement -- I wouldn't find it for years %^)

I know it is too much to wish for changes to a system (LB.org) to add
a means for finders to post when they found so others can see at
least a "last known date". However, www.atlasquest.com has that
feature -- just not enough boxes listed. But it is easy to list on
LB.org and then at Atlasquest just linked to the LB.org clues. So
all bases are covered.

As for taking down clues . . . I don't know who among us has the time
or wherewithall to make that decision.

Judy B
Fairfax VA
sewsowbizzy

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gates_benjamin_franklin"
wrote:
> The point I was trying to make is that when a pirate hides his
> treasure, he doesn't make a map or riddle for someone else to find
> the loot but to be able to return himself.
> B.F. Gates

Yo ho ho & a bottle of rum - I sure hope that not all 12,752 boxes listed at letterboxing.org as of just now were planted by pirates such as yourself! I always thought the concept was to plant boxes and write clues so that _others_ can find our "booty." If we write the riddle only so we can return to where we planted the box, what's the point of then sharing the clues?

But, to each their own....

Doodle Bug.



gates_benjamin_franklin wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that when a pirate hides his
treasure, he doesn't make a map or riddle for someone else to find
the loot but to be able to return himself. Obviously if he never
does return it's because he is dead and out of the equation. You
wouldn't be able to ask him for a status report or hints.





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Although the Elusive Red Heron would make a great letterbox.

Phyto wrote:
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, MaryAnn Lockard
wrote:
> Red herring not heron.

I thought they were blue anyway.
LOL :-)




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Arrr! Speak for yeself ye scurvy dog! Avast!

--- Judy B wrote:

>
> First off, we are letterboxers not pirates! And the
> box contents is
> to share not secret away from the world!! If I
> wanted that I could
> just put the box in my basement -- I wouldn't find
> it for years %^)
>
> I know it is too much to wish for changes to a
> system (LB.org) to add
> a means for finders to post when they found so
> others can see at
> least a "last known date". However,
> www.atlasquest.com has that
> feature -- just not enough boxes listed. But it is
> easy to list on
> LB.org and then at Atlasquest just linked to the
> LB.org clues. So
> all bases are covered.
>
> As for taking down clues . . . I don't know who
> among us has the time
> or wherewithall to make that decision.
>
> Judy B
> Fairfax VA
> sewsowbizzy
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com,
> "gates_benjamin_franklin"
> wrote:
> > The point I was trying to make is that when a
> pirate hides his
> > treasure, he doesn't make a map or riddle for
> someone else to find
> > the loot but to be able to return himself.
> > B.F. Gates
>
>
>
>


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In a message dated 11/24/2004 4:33:02 PM Central Standard Time,
gates_benjamin_franklin@yahoo.com writes:

Perhaps I am just thinking about the game at a higher level than
you are inclined to. I'm thinking in terms of searches lasting long
periods of time and requiring much travel and research. Since you
don't seem to be interested in this type of quest, you would have no
desire to find these boxes. This is fine by me but why should others
not have access to the clues for years or even decades to come?

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

A higher level -- or a less experienced level?

Perhaps you're not aware of the vandalism & theft when non-boxers come across
the boxes, or that animals quite willingly carry off the box to do what they
please with. Is it worth it to do the amount of work you seem to be
suggesting in search of a little rubber stamp that might or might not still be there?

And in today's economic climate, I don't know how many letterboxers are
wealthy enough for the "much travel" part. Unless your first finder gift is real
pot at the end of the rainbow, folks are only going to be doing all that work
for a little rubber stamp. Even if you're the Michelangelo of stamp carvers,
that might be a bit much to expect.

That might certainly appeal to a few folks, and if one narrows it down to
those who can afford the "much travel" part, it'll appeal to a few fewer folks.
But that in itself seems as if it appeals to you -- I might be mistaken but I
get the idea that if nobody were to find your box, you'd be most content. So,
hey, whatever floats your boat.

The question that would raise it's head in my mind is -- are you only going
in search of these types of boxes yourself? If you're going around finding
boxes placed by folks who aren't playing at your lofty level, it might be a bit
polite to place a few boxes for those folks to find in return that are more
similar to what they're placing. We have a crew in our neck of the woods who
*only* plants mystery boxes. Yet they run all over searching for all the
non-mystery boxes in the area, meaning that placers who don't go in for mystery boxes
really have nothing offered by this crew to go searching for themselves.

But folks are certainly free to place boxes however they wish. I'm just a
believer in sowing what you intend to reap -- at least a little bit. When we
moved into the area, we spent late summer and the fall and placed a little over
a dozen boxes, ten of them quite similar to what we started going around
finding. We felt it was a polite thing to do so that the people who had placed the
boxes we had had the pleasure of finding would have something to come find
themselves if they wanted to. Once those were in place, we started on our
word-of-mouth boxes where we can have a specific "target audience" in mind. Tho if
someone is in an area chock full of boxes anyway, it probably wouldn't
matter. But our area is not currently chock full of boxes. So I just kinda think
it's a polite thing to do.

Pippi


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I believe, what people are trying to say is, if enough
people report that the box is missing, that sooner or
later, nobody would search out this box that is hidden
"too well". In that case nobody would look for or
find that box. That's not really what this whole
letterboxing thing is all about. Sounds like you are
looking for something a little different than the
other 99.99% of the people on this site are.

Good luck on your quest for "The Holy Grail",

J.G.
--- gates_benjamin_franklin
wrote:

>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Judy B"
> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > First off, we are letterboxers not pirates!
>
> I never said we were pirates. I was using that as
> an example of
> someone else who would hide something that others
> might seek.
>
> >And the box contents is
> > to share not secret away from the world!!
>
> Yes, I agree. Share with whom though? I would hope I
> could select my
> target audience, mainly those with a sense of
> adventure and the know
> how to figure out my clue. Others without these
> qualities would fail
> in their quest and probably believe the box to be
> missing. This
> could easily lead to many missing box reports. Since
> I would be "out
> of the picture" and would not respond to any
> inquiries regarding the
> box, my clue would be in danger of being removed
> from the clue site.
>
> Perhaps I am just thinking about the game at a
> higher level than
> you are inclined to. I'm thinking in terms of
> searches lasting long
> periods of time and requiring much travel and
> research. Since you
> don't seem to be interested in this type of quest,
> you would have no
> desire to find these boxes. This is fine by me but
> why should others
> not have access to the clues for years or even
> decades to come?
>
> B.F. Gates
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Dear Pippi,

You may not be aware of the history of why this "crew" plants mystery boxes,
many of which simply require an easily-found password to access the clues.

This team has planted many open-clued boxes, only to have them all stolen.
It is certainly not a case of being impolite, rather of security.

I am sure if you found all of your boxes destroyed almost as soon as you
planted them, you would either stop planting or devise ways to reduce the
loss. They have taken the courageous path and continued to plant.

I respecfully disagree that one should primarily look for the type of boxes one
plants; that leads to stagnation. Our letterboxes are enriched when we visit a
variety of placers and a variety of types of boxes.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and Keith, and to all the placers and finders who
have enriched my life over the last 14 months!

Acorn

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, CountdownTo55@a... wrote:


> The question that would raise it's head in my mind is -- are you only going
> in search of these types of boxes yourself? If you're going around finding
> boxes placed by folks who aren't playing at your lofty level, it might be a bit
> polite to place a few boxes for those folks to find in return that are more
> similar to what they're placing. We have a crew in our neck of the woods
who
> *only* plants mystery boxes. Yet they run all over searching for all the
> non-mystery boxes in the area, meaning that placers who don't go in for
mystery boxes
> really have nothing offered by this crew to go searching for themselves.

In a message dated 11/25/2004 6:06:52 AM Central Standard Time,
l-fischer@northwestern.edu writes:

<< You may not be aware of the history of why this "crew" plants mystery
boxes,
many of which simply require an easily-found password to access the clues.

This team has planted many open-clued boxes, only to have them all stolen.
It is certainly not a case of being impolite, rather of security.

I am sure if you found all of your boxes destroyed almost as soon as you
planted them, you would either stop planting or devise ways to reduce the
loss. They have taken the courageous path and continued to plant.
>>

They certainly have our sympathies if someone has been "out to get them" in
the past. Since moving to this area at the beginning of the year, I haven't
seen theft as much of a problem at all. The only problem I've seen is with
boxes that were removed because they were on county property and the county felt
either the clues or box locations were "inappropriate." And unfortunately, the
county went along and removed *all* boxes in a preserve even if it was only
one box they disapproved of. I know I had to scramble and hurry to remove two
boxes we had previously planted in a preserve after the employees became angry
about another box that had been planted after ours. I knew our boxes were
goners if I didn't quickly remove them at least temporarily.

As far as an "easily found password," we've attempted a few times to contact
them with what we think are the answers to their passwords. We didn't once
receive the courtesy of a reply, not even to say "No, you're incorrect, try
again, better luck next time." So we gave up because we have no idea whether
we're wrong, or whether they're just not into replying. When we found their
"adopted" box, which is the only one not requiring a "password," we let them know
the date and condition, and that they replied to. If it's only a security
matter from the past, and they've gone around finding most of our boxes this year,
you'd think we'd at least get the courtesy of *some* sort of reply.

<< I respecfully disagree that one should primarily look for the type of
boxes one
plants; that leads to stagnation. Our letterboxes are enriched when we visit
a
variety of placers and a variety of types of boxes.
>>

How does only looking primarily for the type of boxes one plants create
stagnation in a community? It might create stagnation in that particular
individual if they allow it to, but Mr. Gates doesn't sound like the type of person who
would allow that to happent to himself. If one were to *only* plant the
type of boxes one finds, that I could see as stagnation in a community. Not the
other way around.

And I'm not saying Mr. Gates should *only* plant the type of boxes already
found in his community.

I said it might be polite to "plant a few boxes," and that "I'm just a
believer in sowing what you intend to reap -- at least a little bit." Note the
words "few" and "a little bit." I'm not asking any community to go stagnant.

All I'm saying is that if he's going around finding that type of box, then,
in my opinion, it's polite to at least plant a couple of boxes that are similar
to what he's finding in appreciation towards the placers of those boxes.
Like I said, we put ten back out in our community in appreciation (and I would by
no means expect him to place ten). And we put a few that weren't the same. I
personally like searches that tax me physically, which the ones we've found
to date have not, so hopefully some of our future boxes will do that -- if we
can find appropriate local spots. But we felt it would be a tad rude to not
give back a bit to the community whose boxes we've had fun finding, even it if
wasn't our *specific* cup of tea. Note the words "a bit." :-)

Pippi


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There's a difference between a box not found and a
missing box. A nwebie might jump to the conclusion
that the box was missing because they couldn't find it
a more experienced boxer might go home and
re-evaluate the clues. It can be frustrating not to
find a hard sought after box. Sometimes you can just
tell by reading the clues it'd going to be a hard to
find box and not get your hopes up.-


-- Jeff wrote:

> I believe, what people are trying to say is, if
> enough
> people report that the box is missing, that sooner
> or
> later, nobody would search out this box that is
> hidden
> "too well". In that case nobody would look for or
> find that box.

>
> Good luck on your quest for "The Holy Grail",
>
> J.G.
> --- gates_benjamin_franklin
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Judy B"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > First off, we are letterboxers not pirates!
> >
> > I never said we were pirates. I was using that as
> > an example of
> > someone else who would hide something that others
> > might seek.
> >
> > >And the box contents is
> > > to share not secret away from the world!!
> >
> > Yes, I agree. Share with whom though? I would hope
> I
> > could select my
> > target audience, mainly those with a sense of
> > adventure and the know
> > how to figure out my clue. Others without these
> > qualities would fail
> > in their quest and probably believe the box to be
> > missing. This
> > could easily lead to many missing box reports.
> Since
> > I would be "out
> > of the picture" and would not respond to any
> > inquiries regarding the
> > box, my clue would be in danger of being removed
> > from the clue site.
> >
> > Perhaps I am just thinking about the game at a
> > higher level than
> > you are inclined to. I'm thinking in terms of
> > searches lasting long
> > periods of time and requiring much travel and
> > research. Since you
> > don't seem to be interested in this type of quest,
> > you would have no
> > desire to find these boxes. This is fine by me but
> > why should others
> > not have access to the clues for years or even
> > decades to come?
> >
> > B.F. Gates
> >
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: MaryAnn Lockard
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/25/2004 8:31:44 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] LBNA Site


There's a difference between a box not found and a
missing box. A nwebie might jump to the conclusion
that the box was missing because they couldn't find it
a more experienced boxer might go home and
re-evaluate the clues.

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